[zulu]

Attached is a copy of info taken out of a VW training manual on the 2.0T FSI engine.

There has been a lot of discussion on the power ratings and what fuel to put in your vehicle. I hope this clears things up for everyone.

 

[DrJones]

Thanks for the info, but it doesn't really solve anything.

The dicussion is regaring whether or no tthat 200/207 rating is at the wheels or at the crank.

And it doesn't say what octane fuel it made thos ratings with...

 

[zulu]

Thanks for the info, but it doesn't really solve anything.

The discussion is regarding whether or no that 200/207 rating is at the wheels or at the crank.

And it doesn't say what octane fuel it made those ratings with...

* I fixed your spelling because I don't want mess in my posting*

I would assume since this was taken from a book on the introduction to the engine that the engine ratings are taken from the crank. I have never heard of a car manufacturer rating their horsepower at the wheels. Now somebody can prove me wrong by putting a stock GTI on a dyno and posting the numbers. That would be fine with me if you can prove that my stock car has those numbers at the wheels.

As for the fuel it does list Premium Plus, Premium (mid-grade) and regular in the acceptable fuels that this engine can run on. As we know fuel varies all over the world with octane ratings so bottom line - you're not going to do damage to your engine by running something higher or lower than the 91. Like it says if you run a lower octane you will not achieve the published performance numbers. A lot of car companies put premium fuel in their engines when testing to get an added "edge".

Case Closed

 

[DrJones]

You're right, but just about everything you said is extrapolated from the data on that sheet and assumptions you've made from the way car companies traditionally aquire information like that. And, for the most part, I agree with what you've posted. But when going into an argument with someone I like to bring as much hard data as I can.

Although I suppose if someone really wants to argue with me now I can ban them or give them some sort of gay custom title.

My uncle used to say "With great power comes ample opportunity to fuck with people." Sage-like advice, right there...

 

[GTI2007]

Pretty interesting info, Zulu

 

[zulu]

You're right, but just about everything you said is extrapolated from the data on that sheet and assumptions

It was taken from the 2.0 FSI training book that VW gives their tech's. I guess I'm not sure where you are having difficulty grasping the concept of this not being "hard data". ???

All the info I have looked through indicates most horse power ratings fall between 185-190 at the wheel.

Torque however at the wheel is pretty close to the 207 ft/lbs that VW published. They fall between 200-205 ft/lbs.

I will not link to competitor sites since that is frowned upon but the data is out there if you want it.

 

[DrJones]

You're not understanding my argument.

I realize that the numbers are as acurate as they can be, however what's not stated in that document is what octane fuel they used to get those numbers and whether that's at the crank or at the wheels.

You know what? Nevermind.

Final results:

200hp at 5100 - 6600 rpm
207lb ft tq at 1800 - 4700 rpm