okay, i'm ending it, in the war between the mini and the GTI the mini doesn't stand a chance in hell, now the mini cooper S with the JCW (john cooper works package) does. Actually, track wise it bests the gti legitimately, now, the cooper may be superior on the the track (only with goodies) but it blows as a daily driver, and nearly everyone detests the interior ergornomics, feel, comfortability, and overall design. Its too, "forced wanna be cutsie badass" if that makes any sense. Now, one must not forget, for the mini to dance with the gti an $8,000.00 price is necessary!!! **** THAT, its nor worth it, for an extra 8 grand yes you will get a car that can top the gti marginally, but everything else pales in comparison by such great depth, not to mention if you spend a fraction of that 8 grand on performance parts for gti you can bend the mini over. I like the mini, i really do, but its number two to the gti. If you don't agree with me, cool, idc, go read the article in C&D, they put it much better, if you still go with a mini, enjoy it, still dc